4th in a series at CofA Blog, more coming soon
Transcripts of critical interviews and show segments regarding the Coup / Takeover currently taking place in the United States
Transcripts of critical interviews and show segments regarding the Coup / Takeover currently taking place in the United States
AM Joy March
11, 2017
Best
quotes: “What Assange has done is
essentially made CIA and NSA intelligence tools obsolete overnight” “The journalistic
protection that we give a free press has been extended to Julian Assange”
Julian Assange
(clip): It is impossible to keep effective control of cyber weapons. So what does
that mean? Well it means that if you build them, eventually you will lose them,
they're just information. There's no
barrier for them spreading across the world.
They must be used on the internet.”
Joy Reid: Julian
Assange founder of WikiLeaks and the man accused of helping Russia hack the 2016
election, spoke from his hiding place in London on Thursday about the wealth of
alleged CIA surveillance documents that WikiLeaks published this week. Later that day, Trump friend and Brexit
leader Nigel Farage visited the Ecuadoran Embassy where Assange has claimed
asylum since 2012.
Buzz Feed asked
Farage as he was leaving the building what he was doing there, and at first he
said he couldn't remember, then when asked if he was visiting Assange, he said,
quote, I never discuss where I go or who I see
Start with Director
of Terror Asymmetrics Project, Malcolm Nance about this tranche of documents
released by WikiLeaks, from statement from CIA:
“Regarding this release of documents by WikiLeaks, seemingly to
undermine the agency, CIA is legally prohibited from targeting people at home. The American public should be deeply troubled
by any WikiLeaks disclosure designed to damage the Intelligence Community’s
ability to protect America against terrorists and other adversaries.”
The truth of
that statement from your point of view, Malcolm, is the CIA in the business of
using our cell phones and TVs to spy on Americans?
01:52
Malcolm
Nance: No. They're not, absolutely not and neither is
the National Security Agency, and believe me, I know both these agencies, they
just don’t do it. It is a legal landmine
and if there is not a FISA warrant available on an American citizen as a
target, you are hammered. I mean even
with inadvertent exposure or accidental collection, we don’t play games with
American citizens.
On the other
hand if you are a counter terrorism target, a counter intelligence target,
where we think you work for a foreign power and they get a warrant on you, then
the entire process will come down on your head.
So the key
thing here is that everything that's done in the intelligence community comes
down to the human being, we don’t have time for the American public and
WikiLeaks is trying to stoke this paranoia and the fun part about it is, on
behalf of Russian intelligence. So why
should we believe a thing that this guy says.
He steals documents and then he goes out and exposes them. And he just benefited ISIS and A Qaeda and
everybody else who we could have been collecting against.
Joy: And
WikiLeaks has managed to make themselves heroic not just to the far right now
which is newly the Sean Hannity’s of the world now love WikiLeaks. But also for the longest time on the left,
they've sort of made themselves these heroes for transparency. Talk about Julian Assange, is he number one even
a liberal and is he an advocate of transparency, or is he an anti-American
anarchist?
03:24
Naveed
Jamali, MSNBC Contributor and US Navy Intelligence officer: Joy, first to
piggyback on what Malcolm said, of course we don’t to intelligence on American persons.
But, Joy,
look, these things have real impact. When the CIA or the NSA has these tools,
they're out there to collect legitimate intelligence. When you compromise those tools, you are
effectively compromising current operations as well as past operations. That means that someone whether it's ISIS or
Al Qaeda can deflect, can build defenses against that and they can also go back
and say, hey, look, the United States we see that they use these tools, so we
know it was the United States.
So when you talk
about Assange, and when you talk about what he just did- what he has done is
essentially made those tools obsolete overnight. And what that means now is when you have
raids like in Yemen where we have to send SEALS in to collect intelligence, you're
not doing this safely from a skiff back in Langley. You now have to send in human beings who put
themselves at risk, who put other people at risk-
This is
perhaps one of the worst things that someone can do and it just shows what kind
of a person Assange is. And to glorify
him and frankly Snowden, I think you can't look at that, do that in full
honesty and say this is a benefit to America and to world safety. I mean, I
don't know any other way to put it.
JOY: What Snowden took ended up benefiting mostly
China and Russia – now WikiLeaks is a quote unquote hero for wanting to work
with tech companies. What American tech
company would be crazy enough to then form some sort of a compact with
WikiLeaks when they just did a Watergate on an American election on behalf of a
foreign power?
Joel
Benenson: MSNBC Political Analyst: I
don't believe there's a single one that would work with WikiLeaks.
(I do. Many of
those tech CEOs in Silicon Valley are not even American citizens, what do they
care? )
I think the
danger here as the other panelists described, Julian Assange is not a good
player, he has been in bed with the Russians, we know that. We believe that the Russians interfered with the election-
seventeen intelligence agencies said that, that should be of concern to every
American.
It should be
of concern that Assange is meeting with people like Nigel Farage now. Are the Russians going to have a free hand
now to mess in UK elections and the French and German elections coming up? These are our allies around the world, what
he's doing is taking the set of tools that every intelligence agency- they all
study what other players are doing because you want to make sure you don’t fall
behind.
He publishes
them out there for a lot of players who shouldn't have them now and I think the
consequences of that for every democratic country and election are really
grave. And I think we're playing with
fire here by encouraging this stuff in the name of full disclosure.
Intelligence agencies shouldn't be covered under full disclosure, they have to
work in secret, that's what protects us from some of the gravest threats we
face.
(Me: Oh my god I
don't believe someone has to say something as obvious as that intelligence agencies have to work in secrecy, I mean...)
Joy: The CIA
has a history that is in some ways dark and Americans in some ways mistrust
them but the idea now that they're being undermined, that if it's the CIA, the
American CIA or the Russians, that we should be choosing the Russians is
insane. But, speaking of what Joel just
said, we do have in bed with WikiLeaks, we do have the move to drive the UK out of the EU, you
do have WikiLeaks and Breitbart in Europe, trying actively right now to impact
elections. They don’t want to impact
them towards the more pro-western candidates, they want to impact them toward
the Nationalist, xenophobic Trump clones.
07:12
Malcolm Nance: Right,
well I think it's fascinating that Nigel Farage went and met with Julian
Assange, and you know he did. You don’t go
dropping into the Ecuadoran Embassy for churros and tea. He was there meeting with him and the
question is, what kind of coordination is Farage doing now? Is he now a messenger boy for Donald
Trump? Is he now going to help
coordinate WikiLeaks exposure of western allied democracies?
One thing that I
can say about this and I'm sure Mr. Farage and his English counterparts will
take it onboard, GCHQ, which is Britain’s version of NSA, is not allowed to go
after British citizens the way that American citizens are. But every other
intelligence agency in the world now is going to put Nigel Farage under their
microscope because he is now coordinating with an entity that has declassified or
stolen intelligence documents all around the world.
If he's talking to
WikiLeaks, and thinks that he's going to help engineer the fall of the German
election, or the French election, or hasten the demise of England in the
Brexit, well that's going to come out soon too.
Joy: Why, Naveed,
Is Julian Assange not in jail, why isn’t he in prison?
N: When we talk about conspiracy and we talk
about journalism and fake news, one of the things that drives me and a lot of
investigators nuts is the fact that this journalistic protection that we give a
free press has been extended to Julian Assange.
He's not a journalist, he's not a blogger, that's why he's free and out
and not prosecuted.
Joy: He's acting in
the guise of a journalist but he's clearly acting to destabilizing governments
and getting away with it.
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(Since 2011 I've
been blogging and posting in comments that foreign agents are attacking the
United States using information and they know that because of our First
Amendment, we will not stop them.)
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Watch the video by clicking on Assange's pic below, so far I can't find it on YouTube but it will be there soon, I'm sure.
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